I enjoy the discussion. To me, this is the heart of the issue about sustainability. How do you want to live while being sustainable?

It's easy to say people should live in small villages where they walk everywhere. That they should spend 2 hours a day in their gardens growing food. That cutting back on "consumer culture" is good for you.

It's easy to say "people" should do that. It's very hard to do that yourself.

I tried living in "back to the earth" communes twice in the 70's and 80's. I'm a city boy. I want to find a way to keep cities.